Salvation: A Personal Reflection

When I was very young, my parents sent my to Vacation Bible School run by our family church, an Evangelical Covenant Church. While there, I learned about Jesus. I learned that He loved me very much and that, in order to save me from my sin and from the consequences of my sins, He died on the cross, paying the price for me. I was taught that, to accept this free gift of salvation, all I need do was "ask Jesus into my heart".
Growing up in a good Christian home, this language of sin, salvation and being "born again" was very familiar to me, even if I didn't understand it fully. My belief in God was simply a matter of acceptance, a trust I placed in the people I loved, who raised me that it was truth. Yet, this week there was something clearly different about the presentation. Even at my young age, I knew that they were looking for me to respond to the invitation. And so, one night before bed, I asked my Mom to pray with me. Kneeling by my bed, I accepted Jesus as my Saviour.
Despite the fact that this happened more than 25 years ago, I remember it like it was yesterday. It was a significant moment in my life, something I cherish deeply to this day. I mark it as the first and most significant milestone on my journey of faith. That same small church still supports me, prays for me and loves me as I seek to follow God as I believe He has called me to serve Him.
It will come as no surprise to those involved in the emerging church conversation (from either side of "for" or "against" divide) that the issue of salvation has been a hot topic. In all honesty, some of the current discussions about the atonement go right over my head (one of the reasons I'm very curious about Scot McKnight's new book), so if asked I probably will share a fairly "traditional" understanding of the topic. From my understanding (and in simple terms) I believe that our salvation was purchased for us by Christ suffering, death and resurrection. As a Christian always learning, I am open to understanding the strengths and weaknesses in the nuances of my beliefs, but generally that is where I stand.
However, without diminishing in the slightest the genuine nature of my childhood experience, I have also come to see how the methods and language that we have adopted around the evangelistic process have resulted in well intentioned, but often flawed influences. While I believe in absolute truth and that propositions are important in our understanding and proclamation of the Gospel, if we make them the primary or exclusive means of expression, I believe we can rob the Gospel of its deeper meaning and power.
Further, I think the emphasis on the evangelistic, salvation experience can become distracting from the purposes of God for His followers if we "camp out" on them. What I mean is that, if the sum total of our faith is getting people to say the sinners prayer or ask Jesus into their hearts, we miss the fullness of what God intends for us. These salvation experiences should be to our faith what a wedding is to our marriage, a holy, inaugural encounter with God's grace.
Some have said to me that there is nothing more important than people entering into a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Despite my critiques of individualism in our culture, I still believe that we indeed enter into a relationship with God on a personal, individual level. However, we do so through our dying to self and resurrecting into His Body. As Christ identifies His Church as His Body, we see that our salvation is more than just personal. Further, we see clearly that we are called into submission under His Lordship because He has purposes for us, individually and together.
Jesus says He is the Truth. He does not simply know or understand the Truth (though that is certainly an important aspect). Rather, I believe that Jesus was demonstrating that Truth has its greatest power and authority when it is personified. The person of Jesus is the incarnation of Truth- Truth made manifest in the spirit, soul and body; in the mind, will and emotions; in every facet of His being. In the same way, as we are called to be like Christ, called together to be His Body, we are called to incarnate Truth in the fullness of our lives (something not achieved by merit, but by grace alone).
In this way, then, to preach the Gospel, the Good News that is a guiding theme through all of Scripture and encompasses more than just offering humanity a "Get Out Of Hell Free" Card, in word only, without the manifest authority of the incarnational Truth, sells the message short. To this end, justice, love, beauty- all these thing must find expression in the fullness of our "proclamation".
So does this mean that the very simplistic, well intentioned, but limited message of the Gospel that I received as a child was without worth? Of course not! But for the grace of God nothing we do would have any impact, regardless of the accuracy of our propositional doctrines or the authenticity of our missional communities. As we seek to serve God more authentically, as we attempt to better understand the how and why of our faith, let us not make the mistake of dismissing or devaluing the work that God has done in the past. Someday we will be held to the same standard and our own human failings will shine as obviously to our children as our parents mistakes do to us.








in the same way i heard it said that we need to bring people past making a decision. that need to see their lives now in Christ and part of the deeper love and plan of God.
"These salvation experiences should be to our faith what a wedding is to our marriage, a holy, inaugural encounter with God's grace."
I like that quote. It shows the beginning of a new life and covenant. It's not the end we try to get to, but it is the means by which we start of a new life together with Christ to be lived out by the grace of god.
Thanks for your story.
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Peace,
Jamie (Comment this)
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You said: "I mark it as the first and most significant milestone on my journey of faith." Obviously as a very young person you didn't undersatnd it all, when would you say it became clear for you, when did you reach a point in your life that you knew that you knew that you knew. I trust you understand what I mean by that. When did you come to the place in your relationship with the Lord that you knew beyond any doubt that you had become a child of God, that no matter what happened you would spend eternity with Him.
Your fourth paragraph down isn't clear at all to me. Where's the certainty in that?
You said "In this way, then, to preach the Gospel, the Good News that is a guiding theme through all of Scripture and encompasses more than just offering humanity a "Get Out Of Hell Free" Card, in word only, without the manifest authority of the incarnational Truth, sells the message short."
Its more than a get out of hell card, of course, but that's a pretty good card to have though eh? When you consider what Jesus said here in Matthew 7:13 about The Narrow Gate
13 “You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it. (NLT)
Wow, that's sobering eh? Most people are on the highway to hell Jesus says. We need to be very certain about what we believe and that we are indeed on that narrow road.
So again, if you yourself are on that narrow road and have that get out of hell card, how does that influence you in how you reach out to others so they too can get one of those cards.
Cheers,
George (Comment this)
Peace,
Jamie (Comment this)
LOL! I can't win, can I? Brother, if I could make a recommendation, you should consider starting your own blog. You obviously have a great deal to say and don't seem happy with what others are saying. I would be happy to see you have a space to share what you want, when you want.
You say you aren't seeing a lot of certainty in this post, but are you seeing uncertainty? Or are you mentioning it because it is a hit spot with "emerging" folks?
In honesty, I don't have a moment throughout my life where I did not have confidence in my relationship with Christ. This is not uncommon for those who are raised in such a family (though not everyone experiences it), but I would say that childhood experience is where I would mark it. It is not important to me to have a moment to mark, though, so take that for what it's worth.
Yes, freedom from a fate apart from God is a priceless gift, but to define ones faith on that is dangerous. I define my faith in the new life I have in Christ, not the suffering I avoided. As true as it is, it would be selfish to build my faith (and thus my evangelistic model) around fear and suffering alone (or even primarily).
I have answered your questions as best I can. I am sorry that you keep finding fault. Thankfully my faith is secured in Christ and not your very critical judgments of me and my beliefs.
Peace,
Jamie (Comment this)
I've actually thought of starting a blog, but I think it would take up too much time, cause I know I would get right into it. See, I love these discussions, I know what God has done in my life, and I appreciate engaging with others and especially those who also claim the faith but have such a totally different perspective than my own.
You and I may not be that far apart but we are to a degree, for sure.
I'm challenging you yes, I'm not looking to find fault or to criticize, that is not my intent.
I'm trying to use proper blog etiquette with this post.
You cleared it up somewhat when you say: "In honesty, I don't have a moment throughout my life where I did not have confidence in my relationship with Christ. "
So that is great, really great. I sure can't say that. I knew about God my whole life but didn't have a saving relationship with Him until 6 years ago. He got a hold of me using the marginalized in our society to point out my own sin and selfishness. My heart started going out to them like it had never done before and I knew it was God even though I couldn't totally figure it out at the time.
I started going back to church around then and one Sunday the pastor read this and preached on it and I just knew: Ephesians 1:13 And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own[d] by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago. 14 The Spirit is God’s guarantee that he will give us the inheritance he promised and that he has purchased us to be his own people. He did this so we would praise and glorify him."
That was the moment I knew that I had been sealed as a child of God. It all came together for me as that was read, that Sunday morning that was definitely God's Word for me. I am forever grateful.
I just wanted to throw that in there so you know a bit of where I have been. You may have read my testimony elsewhere, I'm not sure, I know you are connected to some other guys that I have dialogued with before.
Its great to now read that you have always had confidence in your relationship with Christ. With that in mind, I don't understand this statement: "In all honesty, some of the current discussions about the atonement go right over my head (one of the reasons I'm very curious about Scot McKnight's new book), so if asked I probably will share a fairly "traditional" understanding of the topic. From my understanding (and in simple terms) I believe that our salvation was purchased for us by Christ suffering, death and resurrection. As a Christian always learning, I am open to understanding the strengths and weaknesses in the nuances of my beliefs, but generally that is where I stand."
Again Jamie, with respect, where is the conviction there? If someone on the street who doesn't know God asked you about your salvation what would you say "Well, I think this is how it worked but I'm open to learn if that's exactly right?" That seems to be what you are saying, it just doesn't sound very convicting.
When we share the Gospel with people, we need some solid convictions don't we?
I'm challenging you on this, because its kind of very important, I'm sure you will agree. I read this today and I wonder if you might agree, I sure do: "My assurance is essential to the way I respond to life as a Christian. I cannot imagine living without it. Every true Christian should enjoy the reality of his or her salvation. Not to have that assurance is to live in doubt, fear and a unique form of misery and spiritual depression."
If you have that deep assurance, wonderful, maybe its the way you say things that I am missing.
I do know that there are so many professing Christians who do not have that assurance. Its been amazing to me, dialoguing with emergers (this is a general statement, not talking about you personally) the obvious lack of assurance that they have. They are revising everything about the Christian faith, just like you have alluded to above, all this talk about the atonement and all that. They actually revel in their doubt and ambiguity, they have told me that. Ok, I'm going to stop, that's off topic and I need to remeber etiquette.
There is nothing more precious than to be sure of one's salvation, to know who you are in Christ. That propels us in ministry doesn't it? If you have it, praise God.
Cheers
George
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Peace,
Jamie (Comment this)
Thanks for sharing your story. I had picked some of it up at other blogs and when you emailed me some time ago. It is always good to hear each others stories.
With respect to the sentence you expressed concern about, if you read it again, you will see that my lack of confidence is not in the atonement, but in the recent discussions challenging traditional understandings of the doctrine. I have tried to understand the complexity of these discussions, but they are quite a bit beyond me. I am open to have my understanding mature and grow, as we all should. So I think you missed the point on that one.
I think what you read as a lack of assurance with emerging Christians is actually a humility in the face of modern, Enlightenment-based rational certainty. Most have great confidence, conviction and faith, so I think it is an issue of language where you might be having an issue. To say that they are "revising everything about the Christian faith" is an extreme overstatement. Nor do they "revel" in doubt of ambiguity. Not only is that a sweeping generalization, it is patently false. You cannot pick one or two extremes that rarely are held by the vast majority of emerging Christians and define the movement by it. My friend, I am not trying to convert you to anything, but should know you are incredibly misinformed on the nature of the conversation.
Anyway, I think you are not only misinformed (by several very irresponsible critics), but are unwilling to consider a more accurate, generous understanding of what other believers believe. I promise you that if you went back in 50 to 100 year intervals into history, your own expression of Christianity would seem like a great revision to faithful believers in the past too.
Peace,
Jamie (Comment this)
I'm going to leave now Jamie, you can have the last word, its your blog after all. I would just say this though, that if you really believe that, you have indeed been very cleverly deceived by those who are leading so many people astray with their false teaching. Its a false humility. I could give you a ton of examples, but unfortunately, no time, gotta take a vacation.
Blog on
Cheers
George
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Not only is that a cheap cop out, but you presume to know the hearts of others better than they. That is a far greater thing to fear than the false accusations you are throwing at others.
Peace,
Jamie (Comment this)
Peace,
Jamie (Comment this)
That was uncalled for and was a response to what I believe were condescending remarks coming from you. I should not have responded in that way, so I apologize.
I do believe that you are well intentioned but misguided and it sounds like you feel that way about me and so that probably contributes to the back and forth that we have had. ( although you might not even think I'm well-intentioned)
I know I'm pretty blunt and not always gracious and you sure have me beat in that department. What I do have is strong convictions on what the truth is and how it is we should be engaging our pagan culture and waffling on truth drives me nuts when I hear it from professing Christians. I just really don't believe God wants His people waffling on truth and that is happening big time in our day.
God is very clear about truth in His Word and I am so thankful that He is. The more we are familiar and know the truth the better we can spot error. Its like the police counterfeit money expert, he doesn't study all the different types of counterfeit, no, what he does is study the real thing so that when a counterfeit comes along he spots it right away. That's how it should be with us and the truth of God's Word. There are too many professing Christians who are communicating that the truth of the Bible is not clear and that is just so wrong. It makes no sense that God would give us His truth in an unclear way. Its very clear the problem is with man and their love for darkness and the sin that so enslaves them. I know, it enslaved me for 43 years.
We need to be loving but we also need to tell the truth. We need to lovingly tell the truth. Its really not that complicated.
I believe the reason why we are so powerless as professing Christians in our country is because the Truth has been so compromised. God's power is not revealed in compromise. But I also believe God is on the move in our country and He is going to do some stuff that is going to rock our world. I want to be a part of that don't you?
In order for that to happen, God's people have to get serious about really living for Him and proclaiming the Truth in love. God uses that big time. He's just waiting for us to get real serious. I would encourage you again to read Fresh Wind Fresh Fire to see a great example of what God will do with a group of people who begin to pray and seek Him to impact their community. All kinds of people getting saved, the worst sinners you can think of, all being redeemed by Almighty God.
I love these verses 2 Chronicles 7:14 "Then if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 15 My eyes will be open and my ears attentive to every prayer made in this place.
It always starts with God's people. We are the ones who have to turn from our wicked ways before He will begin to heal our land in a way that only He can. I want to get in on that don't you?
Ok, now I'm done and I will email you soon as I want to encourage you and get some feedback from you about something more specific that God has given me a burden for and that you might be able to help me out with.
Cheers, and as you say, peace,
George (Comment this)
I appreciate your apology. I think this is some fundamental misunderstandings at the heart of this. You make statements like "waffling on truth drives me nuts when I hear it from professing Christians" you suggest that I am uncertain about truth where you are certain. First, I am not waffling at all (and I would even go so far as to say that more emerging Christians aren't either, but you misunderstand their premise).
Further, your certainty doesn't make you right. You must rely on faith every bit as much as we do, with no proof that your interpretation is any more accurate than mine. You can say Scripture is clear on all of this (and I do believe it is clear in many aspects), but many faith, Biblically sound men and women of God still come to different conclusions. How do you KNOW without a doubt that YOUR take is right and mine is not? Or that the other non-emerging, Biblical, Evangelical Christian whose view is different than your is wrong?
Ultimately it comes down to faith, a faith that acknowledges that for all God's perfect, absolute truth, we get it wrong TIME AND TIME AGAIN. Therefore, MOST emerging Christians (like most mature Christians of any variety, IMO) seek to temper their confidence with humility, not denying absolute truth, but acknowledging our likelihood to get some things wrong.
Critics of the emerging church like to state that the ECM denies absolute truth and will not state certainty about anything. This is not only an overstatement, but represents only a few, fringe examples and should not be used to measure the whole conversation. It is crucial that you understand that "emerging" describes a very broad and diverse group without a unified theological or doctrinal stance. Therefore, you can no more guide all involved by generalize critiques than you can judge all Christians by the standard of a small segment.
For you to say we simply need to proclaim the truth, that it is not complicated, is to say that you have achieved what no Christians throughout history have been able to accomplish, including the early church of Acts. Frankly, that is dangerously arrogant.
I agree with you that the problem is not God's, but man's. We cannot underestimate how much sin continues to interfere with our attempt to know God and make Him known. If we had a phone book with ZERO mistakes, I promise there would still be wrong number calls.
My challenge to you, George, is to consider that to disagree about some issues is not to say that the other is deceived. Perhaps it is part of our journey as brothers and sisters in Christ to grow and learn from each other. This will require a more humble and generous approach to one another. I have absolutely no hesitance to say that your heart is good, your intentions are above reproach and that you are brother in Christ who I would share the Table of Christ with.
My other caution to you is to recognize that there are some very unfair and misguided critics of the ECM out there that will misguide you in understanding the dynamics, which could result in alienation of fellow Christians. If Christ said the world will know we are His followers by our love for one another, to attack a brother at all, especially based on questionable information, runs contrary to this Biblical mandate.
The truth is that the ECM is fairly new, needing maturity, growth and humility. Some, in my opinion, do go too far. We need to be reminded that, while seeking to bring balance to how much rationalism has invaded the Churches understanding of truth, we can sometimes go to far and lack the confidence in Christ that we are called to proclaim with our words and lives.
I promise you, brother, that many of the concerns you represent here have been clearly based on misinformation and generalizations based on extreme and rare examples. We need each, as Christ clearly demonstrated, so let's move forward with more care.
Peace,
Jamie (Comment this)
Read the book of Acts again Jamie. Look for the word boldness. Then look to see how God increased their number.
Do you agree with McLaren that clarity is over rated?
You know what usually convinces people that God will still do a powerful work in our world? When they see Him in action. When things begin happening that can only be explained by the supernatural work of God. Read Fresh Wind Fresh Fire, a clear example. You will not be disappointed.
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Read the reviews, then buy the book. Its not fiction, its a story of Almighty God working through His people to bring in the lost. In the inner city. God is still in the business of redeeming people.
Check it out, I encourage your readers who are hungry for the Lord to check it out. Then go back to your church leaders and tell them you want to start prayer meetings. But make sure you have dealt with the sin in your life because if you don't the Lord will not hear.
Cheers,
George (Comment this)
If I could deal with the sin in my life then I would have no need for the redemption God that is apparently God's business. Praise God that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
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God is indeed still in the business of redeeming people, I hope you believe that.
And yes, praise God that while we were still sinners, Chrsit died for us. Then as you grow in your walk with God the sin should diminish and His life should increase within yours, I'm sure you believe that also. If that's not happening we have to ask ourselves some questions as to why it is not happening and again, it won't be because of God it will be our problem.
I personally, have been so convicted from the Word of God regarding prayer and righteousness. Over and over we are told that it is the righteous man, whose prayers are heard.
Many Christians allow sin to creep back into their lives as a pattern or habit and refuse to deal with it. When that occurs we can pray but God won't listen because we are not at the same time turning from our sin that we know is there. I have experienced that in my own life, when I have allowed sin to creep back in, understanding Paul's tension in Romans 7. But who is it that can deliver us from that? "v25 Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord."
That was the whole point about that, I hope that clears it up and wonder if you might agree.
Jamie, maybe after all this you could just point me in the direction of an emerging conversation/gathering/community/cafe/meeting etc that is being used powerfully by God. Where things are happening that cannot be explained apart from God. Where lives are undergoing radical transformation as a result of the Spirt of God moving among the people. Where the lost are being found, where sinners are being forgiven and receiving new life, where durg addicts and schizophrenics and everyone else you find in the inner city are getting saved. Can you point me to one? I'm going on vacation tomorrow, what book might I read that would chronicle such a work of God amongst emergers.
Jesus said you will know them by their fruit, which is always the best evidence. Where is God clearly and unmistakably at work in the emerging conversation?
Thanks, I'd really appreciate that.
Cheers,
George (Comment this)
I absolutely agree with you about boldness. But boldness does not mean faultless certainty. How many times did these followers also drop the ball? Make a mistake? Consider the dialogue about Gentile believers and what was required of them. I am not suggesting that they lack boldness (I was pretty clear that confidence is important), but rather to recognize that in our boldness, we can often make mistakes. Therefore we must have the humility to acknowledge our human capacity to get some of the details wrong.
Again, by mentioning McLaren, you seem to be suggesting that he is representative of all emerging Christians rather than one voice in many. You would have to quote McLaren in context for me to know what you mean, as I am not sure he would state it in these terms. That being said, I have already stated that I don't agree with everything McLaren says, so not sure the relevance of the question to this conversation.
You suggest that people are convinced by seeing God is action in power in the world. I agree! In fact, that is kind of what I have been saying all alone- that the verbal proclamation of the Gospel with the power of the Holy Spirit and the example of transformed lives, lacks authority.
Thanks for the book suggestion. I am familiar with the authors work (in fact I just reviewed his most recent book for the national Canadian newspaper). I agree with much of what he has to say.
As for a book suggestion for you, you might be surprised to learn that I don't read a whole lot of emerging church titles. Most of them are out of the America context, which is not bad, but often less applicable in the Canadian context. In fact, on a side note, this is part of the problem- most emerging critics cite the US material when critiquing, failing to see that it represents only one aspect of a much larger conversation. At any rate, I am not sure the stories you are looking for have been chronicled in a book (at least not one that I am aware of).
Another measure of obedience is found in Micah 6:8 (though this is just one aspect):
"He has told you, O man, what is good; And what does the LORD require of you, But to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?"
Consider this when you determine a measure of obedience to God. Thanks George.
Peace,
Jamie (Comment this)
Thanks for your comment. I know that it can be frustrating when people do not seem to want to acknowledge perspectives beyond their own. You are welcome to comment here, share you opinion (even strongly). However, if you don't mind the suggestion, I ask that you avoid name calling. Thanks again.
Peace,
Jamie (Comment this)
By the way is there a link for your review of Cymbala's latest book. Which book is that, Breakthrough Prayer?
If you have done a review you must be somewhat familiar with the ministry of the Brooklyn Tabernacle. You will not find a better example of a ministry powerfully used by God to bring about radical transformation in the lives of the broken who are on the streets of New York. The foundation is prayer.
Cheers,
George (Comment this)
It is not so much that I can't point you to evidence, but rather that it isn't all in readily available format. Perhaps others will suggest some things, but I think others abandon this thread some time ago. Alas!
Actually, I realized that the book I reviewed was no Cymbala, but Guy Chevreau's "Spiritual Warfare Sideways". Sorry for the confusion. I have read some of Cymbala and respect what they are doing in New York. I don't think I would say they are the best example, but certainly a good one.
Peace,
Jamie (Comment this)
No worries from my perspective. Thanks for the apology and I do hope you'll keep visiting.
Peace,
Jamie (Comment this)
I think that hits it on the head- not abandoning old truths, but embracing deeper understandings and expressions of Truth. Thanks for sharing.
Peace,
Jamie (Comment this)